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The Small Arms Of The New York City Police Department

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
(This page updated 01JUN14)


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Q: When were automatics first used?
A: Surprisingly, the Department was rather progressive at one point and authorized automatics in 1916 for Detectives. The authorized gun was the Colt M1908 (.380 ACP) Model M Hammerless. For reasons that are still unclear, these guns were withdrawn from service in 1918 or so. No automatics were authorized after that until 1993. Naturally, there were some case by case authorizations of automatics before 1993, but blanket approval wasn't until 1993.

Q: Why was (name of suspect) shot? Why did cops kill (name of suspect)? Was it necessary to shoot so many times to kill (name of suspect)?
A: I don't get into the right and wrong of who gets shot or who doesn't get shot, and don't get me started on who -should- get shot! I simply look at the tools, not the reasoning behind their use.

Q: Why do you call female police officers Policewomen? Isn't that sexist/misogynistic/demeaning/etc.?
A: Note that prior to 1973, women employed as police officers were officially title Policewomen. Male police officers were titled Patrolmen. If I am referring to a period before 1973, I use those titles. If it is after 1973, I use the less colorful and somewhat banal title of Police Officer.

Q: Does the NYCPD ever sell it's old guns?
A: NYCPD never sells it's handguns simply because they don't own very many. Handguns are usually the private property of the officer. I have found only one instance where the NYCPD publicly sold off it's surplus guns and that was in 1953 when the old Winchester Model 1892's and some 1894's were sold to the general public. I suspect there may have been one more sale in the early 1920's, but the 1953 one is the only one I can document. That particular sale put 307 ex-NYCPD guns into private hands.

Q: What happens to guns that are found/seized/confiscated/turned in?
A: Generally speaking, firearms that are seized or taken in are turned over to the Property Clerks office where they are held until no longer needed (such as for use as evidence in a criminal proceeding). They are then destroyed. This used to be accomplished by dumping them into the Atlantic; it is now done by smelting the guns down.
    In  some instances, guns that are slated for destruction are 'converted' to police use. Usually this id for training purposes, although some seized guns have wound up on the street in emergencies. One example would be M1 carbines that were quickly 'converted' to police use and put on the streets during the late 1960's during the riots. Also, provisions are occassionally made for rare and valuable specimens (cased Borchardts, etc.).

Q: My (relative/friend) was a NYC cop and he carried an (Uzi/flamethrower/Stinger missle/SADM/etc.). How come you don't mention it on your website?
A: It is human nature to never be satisfied with what you have. On the day the NYCPD authorized it's first handgun, some guy in the back of the roll call room probably thought "This sucks, I'm carrying something else.". Cops do sometimes carry unauthorized weapons for one reason or another.  I've interviewed Patrolmen who carried .45's, detectives who packed magnums, etc. One fellow relates how his grandfather who was a high ranking individual carried a Colt .38 Super during the Depression.
    Certainly there have been some officers who may have been involved in special projects and were authorized non-typical arms, but these were special instances and not a common or widespread practice. My observation is that the higher up the chain of command you go, the more likely you are to find someone packing unauthorized heat. A prime example of this was when PC Ben Ward publicly admitted to packing a "..little machine gun..." when he went jogging. He was referring to his Glock which at the time was not only not permitted for NYCPD use, it was not allowed in NYC civilian hands either! It's good to be the king/PC!


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